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DIALOGUE: RMB Role, An exclusive dialogue with Eswar Prasad, Author of Gaining Currency, The Rise of the Renminbi
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RMB Role

An exclusive dialogue with Eswar Prasad

Author of Gaining Currency: The Rise of the Renminbi

Tolani Senior Professor of Trade Policy at Cornell University

By Mike Cormack

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The rise in the international role of the yuan has been much discussed, though perhaps with more heat than light as the shackles have gradually come off and the RMB has developed a more international role. Eswar Prasad was formerly the head of the IMF's China division and has now written what looks to be the set text on the internationalization of the yuan, Gaining Currency: The Rise of the Renminbi. Business Tianjin spoke to him about where the RMB is going and how it will get there.

You studied for a PhD at the University of Chicago – did its own heritage shape your own economic thinking? How would you classify your own intellectual background?

The most significant thing I learnt from my professors and fellow students at the University of Chicago is the importance of careful analysis of data and rigorous economic thinking. That training-to approach every piece of data, every argument, every issue-with a critical and balanced perspective is enormously valuable in one's professional life, whether as an economist, academic, or other professional. While many professors at Chicago have strong views, of course, they teach their students to think and reach conclusions for themselves.

In my own work, I have learnt that that each school of thought has important and useful ideas that need to be taken seriously. And I also recognize that, while economic models and analysis are essential in designing economics policies, policymaking in the real world is a lot messier. It is important for economists to get outside their comfort zone and engage with policymakers and also the public to shift debates and policymaking in the right direction.

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What led you to the position of the head of the IMF's China division in 2002-2004? What were the main issues you handled whilst there?

I was fortunate to be asked to head the IMF's China division at a time when China was opening up to the world and becoming one of the most interesting economies to follow. I was brought in mainly to increase the IMF's research work on China - it was already clear that China did not need the IMF's money but would benefit from research-based policy advice. China's economy has made great progress and increased enormously in size since then, but many of the issues that we advised the government on at the time are still relevant today! These include the need to fix the financial system, reform state-owned enterprises, allow for more labor mobility, control local government borrowing, make the exchange rate more flexible, and improve the public tax and expenditure systems.

In your 2014 book The Dollar Trap, you argue that that was no foreseeable rival to the dollar in international finance. Was the aim of the book to seek the facts of the situation or to remove misapprehensions?

To be frank, when I started writing the book I had expected to write that the financial crisis had weakened the dollar's role in global finance and that other currencies, such as the euro and perhaps even the renminbi, would soon be serious rivals. As I looked through the numbers and conducted my analysis, it became increasingly clear that the opposite was true. Paradoxically, the dollar's role as the dominant global reserve currency has become stronger since the financial crisis. So then the book was my way of understanding how this came to be, and the analysis ended up looking at the structure of global finance, the inherent structural weaknesses of the international monetary system, and the reasons why the financial crisis resulted in the dollar tightening its grip on global finance.

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In your new book Gaining Currency, you make a convincing argument that the RMB is some way off ever being a rival to the dollar, though one can see how the importance of the yuan is rising. What does the Chinese government see as the benefits of an international role for the yuan? Is it right to so think?

Making the RMB a major global currency would enhance China's role in the world economy. There would also be some tangible benefits, such as lower currency risks for Chinese importers and exporters, if the RMB starts playing a more significant role in cross-border trade and financial transactions. However, there are also some costs-it would be harder to keep the value of the currency stable.

A more important point in my view is that the objective of making the RMB a truly global currency serves the Chinese leadership well in terms of domestic reforms. It provides a framework for pushing forward capital account opening, financial sector reforms, and exchange rate flexibility and blunting domestic opposition to those reforms. In the book, I describe this as a "Trojan horse" strategy. Whatever happens with the RMB's prominence on the world stage, such reforms are good for the Chinese economy.

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China's acceptance into the IMF's Special Drawing Rights was evidently something it worked hard for, and which authorities such as Christine Lagarde also largely desire. Was this another case of wanting to bind China into the international system? If so, how would you evaluate that policy?

The RMB's inclusion in the IMF's SDR basket could prove to be a good thing both for China and the IMF itself. When China decided it wanted to get the RMB into the IMF's elite basket of currencies, it felt that this would be a great way of getting more prestige for its currency in one fell swoop. The IMF and China came together and decided on a checklist of things that China needed to accomplish over the next year. That checklist turned out to be very useful to the Chinese government, particularly for the PBOC, in pushing forward domestic reforms. Closer engagement with China also benefits the IMF, which in recent years has lost some of its relevance to emerging market economies. Some of these economies have come to see the IMF as being run largely by and for the interests of advanced economies, so this move counters that perception to some extent.

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You several times demonstrate the strategic intelligence of the Chinese in their development of the role of the yuan. Yet when the PBOC moved the RMB to a more market determined rate in August 2015, it caused a near panic in the market. What happened there? What lessons would the PBC have learned?

China's intervention to devalue the RMB while ostensibly loosening its control of the currency was intended to make progress on an important reform while deflecting domestic opposition. However, because of poor communication about actual policy intentions and the fact that it came at a time of great concern about the state of the Chinese economy, the move backfired as it was seen mainly as a panic-driven measure to prop up growth.

The after-effects of this misstep have persisted until now, with any downward move in the currency's value interpreted as at least partially signaling the government's desire to use currency depreciation as a tool to promote exports and growth. My view is that the PBOC has more honorable intentions-to let the currency float more freely-but is now caught in a trap somewhat of its own making.

You are justly critical of the PBOC's communication ability. Do you think it can adapt to a more open and accountable mindset? Does it have the institutional strength to do so?

The PBOC has tried to aggressively push for financial sector and capital account liberalization and reforms. But it has to work within tight political and institutional constraints. Despite those limitations, the PBOC could have done better in the August 2015 episode. Since then, it seems to have learnt some of the right lessons.

For instance, the PBOC in principle now manages the RMB's value relative to a basket of currencies rather than the U.S. dollar. This makes good economic sense. The PBOC is also doing a better job in terms of communicating its policy objectives to markets, with Governor Zhou Xiaochuan giving press interviews and speeches to lay these out. However, markets still perceive a lack of clarity in the PBOC's intentions and markets have been kept guessing about the PBOC's true goals and policies, which creates a risk of further volatility in currency markets.

Esward Prasad 04We are seeing record outflows of capital, with an outflow of US$46 billion in October alone. Is this simply down to poor growth in China and seeking investments elsewhere, or what other reasons are there?

China has taken a risk in opening up the capital account and easing restrictions on both capital inflows and outflows before fixing its financial system. This can sometimes result in capital outflows that put excessive downward pressures on the currency. From a longer-term perspective, however, capital account opening can have many benefits for the Chinese economy. Some of the capital flows we have been seeing recently reflect portfolio diversification by investors, including households, corporations, and institutional investors. Such diversification is beneficial to investors and also creates competition for the domestic banking system, which could spur reform efforts. A more flexible exchange rate could also act as a shock absorber that could cause capital outflows to settle down.

The approach of tightly managing the currency's value and allowing it to move only gradually in one direction can sometimes have the undesirable effect of perpetuating capital flows in a particular direction and exacerbating tensions in domestic policies.

Esward Prasad 05In chapter eight, you discuss the weaknesses of the Chinese system, from shadow banking to capital flight. Does the government have sufficient tools to tackle them? Might institutional conflicts (such as the needs of local government and SOEs) hinder a genuine push to resolve them?

China's government needs to fix the banking system, bring the shadow banking system under control, and develop a broader set of formal financial markets, especially corporate bond markets. While there has been limited progress on some of these financial sector reforms, such as the liberalization of bank deposit and lending interest rates, these reforms need to be supported by real-side and institutional reforms. These include restructuring of state-owned enterprises, as well as a broader set of reforms that are essential for the smooth functioning of markets-such as improvements in corporate governance standards, auditing and accounting standards for corporations, and corporate and government transparency.

Let's look ahead say to 2030. What would success look like to the PBOC? What international role does the Chinese government want for the yuan? Do you think it will succeed?

While the trajectory of the RMB's rise is remarkable, the hype about the currency's inevitable rise to dominance and associated fears about the U.S. dollar's decline are overblown. If China plays its cards right, with financial sector and other market-oriented reforms, the RMB might conceivably one day become a significant reserve currency, rivaling the Japanese yen and British pound sterling and perhaps even the euro. It could even partially erode the dollar's prominence in global finance, particularly as a payment currency. But, in the absence of broader political, legal, and institutional reforms, the RMB poses no serious challenge to the dollar's supremacy as the dominant global reserve currency.

Gaining Currency is out now. Eswar Prasad can also be followed on Twitter at @EswarSPrasad

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